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	<title>Comments on: Shall We Roll Our Own YouTube for BarCamp Vancouver?</title>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-4914</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nicolas --

Sorry for the late reply -- yes, I am aware of another thread on this
specific to a Drupal project -- it is over at --

http://www.tunaspecial.com/?p=162

We have not had much time to do more with it on our end due to all of
our day jobs. There has been talk via email about creating a Firefox
plugin to do this as well. The fellow who did the Firefox S3 plugin
had expressed some interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nicolas &#8211;</p>
<p>Sorry for the late reply &#8212; yes, I am aware of another thread on this<br />
specific to a Drupal project &#8212; it is over at &#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tunaspecial.com/?p=162" rel="nofollow">http://www.tunaspecial.com/?p=162</a></p>
<p>We have not had much time to do more with it on our end due to all of<br />
our day jobs. There has been talk via email about creating a Firefox<br />
plugin to do this as well. The fellow who did the Firefox S3 plugin<br />
had expressed some interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Tostin</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-3352</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas Tostin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any update of this great project ?
For my part I notice 2 intersting posts:
http://drupal.org/node/101807
http://www.nicklewis.org/node/884</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any update of this great project ?<br />
For my part I notice 2 intersting posts:<br />
<a href="http://drupal.org/node/101807" rel="nofollow">http://drupal.org/node/101807</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nicklewis.org/node/884" rel="nofollow">http://www.nicklewis.org/node/884</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;
Why do this at all?
&gt;&gt;

Good question -- the engineering thing is defintiely a part of it -- commercial factors include the rights you give up when you do YouTube -- some people would rather pay, than give up rights -- also, some corporate content should not be on public sites like YouTube, but does warrant seamless flash video sharing -- so, people would be willing to pay costs to cover that.

Also -- there are lots of features that YouTube should include, but doesn&#039;t -- things that will only come about via competition -- e.g. can you get your content out of youtube if you want? Even if you pay? Why not? The technology to do so is trivial -- even exporting in multiple formats (flash video, quicktime/win-media for podcasts), but it is not in the commerical interests of sites like these to let you take your media and go elsewhere.</description>
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  Why do this at all?<br />
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<p>Good question &#8212; the engineering thing is defintiely a part of it &#8212; commercial factors include the rights you give up when you do YouTube &#8212; some people would rather pay, than give up rights &#8212; also, some corporate content should not be on public sites like YouTube, but does warrant seamless flash video sharing &#8212; so, people would be willing to pay costs to cover that.</p>
<p>Also &#8212; there are lots of features that YouTube should include, but doesn&#8217;t &#8212; things that will only come about via competition &#8212; e.g. can you get your content out of youtube if you want? Even if you pay? Why not? The technology to do so is trivial &#8212; even exporting in multiple formats (flash video, quicktime/win-media for podcasts), but it is not in the commerical interests of sites like these to let you take your media and go elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Abar</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-1156</link>
		<dc:creator>Abar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do this at all? YouTube is already easier for people to find, doesn&#039;t make me worry about video format conversion, and provides unlimited free storage and bandwidth for my files. Plus, it makes sure that the videos I put there are part of a bigger ecosystem of online video that gets linked together. Who needs a private version of what&#039;s basically already a public resource?

Or is this just engineers doing it for the sake of doing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do this at all? YouTube is already easier for people to find, doesn&#8217;t make me worry about video format conversion, and provides unlimited free storage and bandwidth for my files. Plus, it makes sure that the videos I put there are part of a bigger ecosystem of online video that gets linked together. Who needs a private version of what&#8217;s basically already a public resource?</p>
<p>Or is this just engineers doing it for the sake of doing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;
You could always use Amazon’s virtualized solution to do your transcoding, since you’re already going with S3…..
&gt;&gt;

We&#039;ve been talking about that for situations where there is plenty of bandwidth. At conferences like BarCamp where it is usually scarce, Ianiv came up with the idea of rolling a utility based on FFMPEG -- I think what he did is Java based and can spread the transcoding load across various OS&#039;s</description>
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  You could always use Amazon’s virtualized solution to do your transcoding, since you’re already going with S3…..<br />
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<p>We&#8217;ve been talking about that for situations where there is plenty of bandwidth. At conferences like BarCamp where it is usually scarce, Ianiv came up with the idea of rolling a utility based on FFMPEG &#8212; I think what he did is Java based and can spread the transcoding load across various OS&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Pirtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Pirtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1/102-6322884-2229754?ie=UTF8&amp;node=201590011&amp;no=3435361&amp;me=A36L942TSJ2AJA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon&#039;s virtualized solution&lt;/a&gt; to do your transcoding, since you&#039;re already going with S3.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always use <a href="http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1/102-6322884-2229754?ie=UTF8&amp;node=201590011&amp;no=3435361&amp;me=A36L942TSJ2AJA" rel="nofollow">Amazon&#8217;s virtualized solution</a> to do your transcoding, since you&#8217;re already going with S3&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Someone roll me a MeTube at FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone roll me a MeTube at FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So apparently those crafty cats up at BarCampVancouver were chattin&#8217; up an open source alternative to YouTube, smartly backed by Amazon&#8217;s S3 mass-storage service. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So apparently those crafty cats up at BarCampVancouver were chattin&#8217; up an open source alternative to YouTube, smartly backed by Amazon&#8217;s S3 mass-storage service. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have an Amazon EC2 beta account to use for playing around with transcoding via virtualized servers -- if you are a dev and are interested in helping with this, email me -- bryanzug at gmail dot com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have an Amazon EC2 beta account to use for playing around with transcoding via virtualized servers &#8212; if you are a dev and are interested in helping with this, email me &#8212; bryanzug at gmail dot com</p>
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		<title>By: eLearning Skinny &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BarCamp Vancouver Video&#8217;s</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>eLearning Skinny &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BarCamp Vancouver Video&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] These are quicktime .mov files I shot straight to disk. Were were able to get our opensource flash video thing going on Saturday morning (and when I say we, I mean Ianiv). As I previously mentioned, we transcoded and posted Friday night&#8217;s introductions. Everything worked through transcoding via FFMPEG&#160;to storing in Amazon&#8217;s S3 (thanks to Jeff Barr for the help!). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] These are quicktime .mov files I shot straight to disk. Were were able to get our opensource flash video thing going on Saturday morning (and when I say we, I mean Ianiv). As I previously mentioned, we transcoded and posted Friday night&rsquo;s introductions. Everything worked through transcoding via FFMPEG&nbsp;to storing in Amazon&rsquo;s S3 (thanks to Jeff Barr for the help!). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the discussion has moved to an email thread -- email me if you want in bryan at gmail dot com -- will try to continue to post important reference stuff here.

Over on the Seattle Drupal User&#039;s Group thread, &lt;a href=&quot;http://bryght.com/about/the-team/boris&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Boris Mann&lt;/a&gt; of Bryght &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.drupal.org/node/1259#comment-3135&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted some notes&lt;/a&gt; on activity with S3 and Drupal --

&lt;blockquote&gt;
There was some discussion / code going on here. There was someone hacking on S3 code, so you should talk to them.

I suspect we&#039;ll see a filesystem module level S3 plugin at some point.

Other modules for your YouTube clone:
* userreview (reviews as nodes, includes ratings) -- use instead of comments to get better ratings/feedback
* votingapi -- needed for userreview
* views / views_bookmarks: easily make a &quot;my favourite videos&quot; list by allowing video bookmarking; can show lists of most bookmarked videos, etc.; views can be used to build other custom page listings easily as well, including a bookmark for &quot;flag as inappropriate&quot;
* tagadelic -- to help with display of the all important tag cloud

The big thing that is needed is a component or helper module for the video module that talks to server-side FFMpeg script for thumbnailing, etc. Note that the video module supports remote file links, so it could be used as-is to host on Amazon S3...just need an easy way to upload to S3 in the first place and get the URL back.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the discussion has moved to an email thread &#8212; email me if you want in bryan at gmail dot com &#8212; will try to continue to post important reference stuff here.</p>
<p>Over on the Seattle Drupal User&#8217;s Group thread, <a href="http://bryght.com/about/the-team/boris" rel="nofollow">Boris Mann</a> of Bryght <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/node/1259#comment-3135" rel="nofollow">posted some notes</a> on activity with S3 and Drupal &#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>
There was some discussion / code going on here. There was someone hacking on S3 code, so you should talk to them.</p>
<p>I suspect we&#8217;ll see a filesystem module level S3 plugin at some point.</p>
<p>Other modules for your YouTube clone:<br />
* userreview (reviews as nodes, includes ratings) &#8212; use instead of comments to get better ratings/feedback<br />
* votingapi &#8212; needed for userreview<br />
* views / views_bookmarks: easily make a &#8220;my favourite videos&#8221; list by allowing video bookmarking; can show lists of most bookmarked videos, etc.; views can be used to build other custom page listings easily as well, including a bookmark for &#8220;flag as inappropriate&#8221;<br />
* tagadelic &#8212; to help with display of the all important tag cloud</p>
<p>The big thing that is needed is a component or helper module for the video module that talks to server-side FFMpeg script for thumbnailing, etc. Note that the video module supports remote file links, so it could be used as-is to host on Amazon S3&#8230;just need an easy way to upload to S3 in the first place and get the URL back.
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