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	<title>Comments on: Shall We Roll Our Own YouTube for BarCamp Vancouver?</title>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-4914</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nicolas --

Sorry for the late reply -- yes, I am aware of another thread on this
specific to a Drupal project -- it is over at --

http://www.tunaspecial.com/?p=162

We have not had much time to do more with it on our end due to all of
our day jobs. There has been talk via email about creating a Firefox
plugin to do this as well. The fellow who did the Firefox S3 plugin
had expressed some interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nicolas &#8211;</p>
<p>Sorry for the late reply &#8212; yes, I am aware of another thread on this<br />
specific to a Drupal project &#8212; it is over at &#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tunaspecial.com/?p=162" rel="nofollow">http://www.tunaspecial.com/?p=162</a></p>
<p>We have not had much time to do more with it on our end due to all of<br />
our day jobs. There has been talk via email about creating a Firefox<br />
plugin to do this as well. The fellow who did the Firefox S3 plugin<br />
had expressed some interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Tostin</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-3352</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas Tostin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any update of this great project ?
For my part I notice 2 intersting posts:
http://drupal.org/node/101807
http://www.nicklewis.org/node/884</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any update of this great project ?<br />
For my part I notice 2 intersting posts:<br />
<a href="http://drupal.org/node/101807" rel="nofollow">http://drupal.org/node/101807</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nicklewis.org/node/884" rel="nofollow">http://www.nicklewis.org/node/884</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;
Why do this at all?
&gt;&gt;

Good question -- the engineering thing is defintiely a part of it -- commercial factors include the rights you give up when you do YouTube -- some people would rather pay, than give up rights -- also, some corporate content should not be on public sites like YouTube, but does warrant seamless flash video sharing -- so, people would be willing to pay costs to cover that.

Also -- there are lots of features that YouTube should include, but doesn't -- things that will only come about via competition -- e.g. can you get your content out of youtube if you want? Even if you pay? Why not? The technology to do so is trivial -- even exporting in multiple formats (flash video, quicktime/win-media for podcasts), but it is not in the commerical interests of sites like these to let you take your media and go elsewhere.</description>
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  Why do this at all?<br />
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<p>Good question &#8212; the engineering thing is defintiely a part of it &#8212; commercial factors include the rights you give up when you do YouTube &#8212; some people would rather pay, than give up rights &#8212; also, some corporate content should not be on public sites like YouTube, but does warrant seamless flash video sharing &#8212; so, people would be willing to pay costs to cover that.</p>
<p>Also &#8212; there are lots of features that YouTube should include, but doesn&#8217;t &#8212; things that will only come about via competition &#8212; e.g. can you get your content out of youtube if you want? Even if you pay? Why not? The technology to do so is trivial &#8212; even exporting in multiple formats (flash video, quicktime/win-media for podcasts), but it is not in the commerical interests of sites like these to let you take your media and go elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Abar</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-1156</link>
		<dc:creator>Abar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do this at all? YouTube is already easier for people to find, doesn't make me worry about video format conversion, and provides unlimited free storage and bandwidth for my files. Plus, it makes sure that the videos I put there are part of a bigger ecosystem of online video that gets linked together. Who needs a private version of what's basically already a public resource?

Or is this just engineers doing it for the sake of doing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do this at all? YouTube is already easier for people to find, doesn&#8217;t make me worry about video format conversion, and provides unlimited free storage and bandwidth for my files. Plus, it makes sure that the videos I put there are part of a bigger ecosystem of online video that gets linked together. Who needs a private version of what&#8217;s basically already a public resource?</p>
<p>Or is this just engineers doing it for the sake of doing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;
You could always use Amazon’s virtualized solution to do your transcoding, since you’re already going with S3…..
&gt;&gt;

We've been talking about that for situations where there is plenty of bandwidth. At conferences like BarCamp where it is usually scarce, Ianiv came up with the idea of rolling a utility based on FFMPEG -- I think what he did is Java based and can spread the transcoding load across various OS's</description>
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<p>><br />
  You could always use Amazon’s virtualized solution to do your transcoding, since you’re already going with S3…..<br />
  ></p>
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<p>We&#8217;ve been talking about that for situations where there is plenty of bandwidth. At conferences like BarCamp where it is usually scarce, Ianiv came up with the idea of rolling a utility based on FFMPEG &#8212; I think what he did is Java based and can spread the transcoding load across various OS&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Pirtle</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Pirtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always use &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1/102-6322884-2229754?ie=UTF8&#38;node=201590011&#38;no=3435361&#38;me=A36L942TSJ2AJA" rel="nofollow"&gt;Amazon's virtualized solution&lt;/a&gt; to do your transcoding, since you're already going with S3.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always use <a href="http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1/102-6322884-2229754?ie=UTF8&amp;node=201590011&amp;no=3435361&amp;me=A36L942TSJ2AJA" rel="nofollow">Amazon&#8217;s virtualized solution</a> to do your transcoding, since you&#8217;re already going with S3&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Someone roll me a MeTube at FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone roll me a MeTube at FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So apparently those crafty cats up at BarCampVancouver were chattin&#8217; up an open source alternative to YouTube, smartly backed by Amazon&#8217;s S3 mass-storage service. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So apparently those crafty cats up at BarCampVancouver were chattin&#8217; up an open source alternative to YouTube, smartly backed by Amazon&#8217;s S3 mass-storage service. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have an Amazon EC2 beta account to use for playing around with transcoding via virtualized servers -- if you are a dev and are interested in helping with this, email me -- bryanzug at gmail dot com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have an Amazon EC2 beta account to use for playing around with transcoding via virtualized servers &#8212; if you are a dev and are interested in helping with this, email me &#8212; bryanzug at gmail dot com</p>
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		<title>By: eLearning Skinny &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BarCamp Vancouver Video&#8217;s</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>eLearning Skinny &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BarCamp Vancouver Video&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] These are quicktime .mov files I shot straight to disk. Were were able to get our opensource flash video thing going on Saturday morning (and when I say we, I mean Ianiv). As I previously mentioned, we transcoded and posted Friday night&#8217;s introductions. Everything worked through transcoding via FFMPEG&#160;to storing in Amazon&#8217;s S3 (thanks to Jeff Barr for the help!). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] These are quicktime .mov files I shot straight to disk. Were were able to get our opensource flash video thing going on Saturday morning (and when I say we, I mean Ianiv). As I previously mentioned, we transcoded and posted Friday night&rsquo;s introductions. Everything worked through transcoding via FFMPEG&nbsp;to storing in Amazon&rsquo;s S3 (thanks to Jeff Barr for the help!). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Zug</title>
		<link>http://zug.flathatter.com/shall-we-roll-our-own-youtube-for-barcamp-vancouver/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the discussion has moved to an email thread -- email me if you want in bryan at gmail dot com -- will try to continue to post important reference stuff here.

Over on the Seattle Drupal User's Group thread, &lt;a href="http://bryght.com/about/the-team/boris" rel="nofollow"&gt;Boris Mann&lt;/a&gt; of Bryght &lt;a href="http://groups.drupal.org/node/1259#comment-3135" rel="nofollow"&gt;posted some notes&lt;/a&gt; on activity with S3 and Drupal --

&lt;blockquote&gt;
There was some discussion / code going on here. There was someone hacking on S3 code, so you should talk to them.

I suspect we'll see a filesystem module level S3 plugin at some point.

Other modules for your YouTube clone:
* userreview (reviews as nodes, includes ratings) -- use instead of comments to get better ratings/feedback
* votingapi -- needed for userreview
* views / views_bookmarks: easily make a "my favourite videos" list by allowing video bookmarking; can show lists of most bookmarked videos, etc.; views can be used to build other custom page listings easily as well, including a bookmark for "flag as inappropriate"
* tagadelic -- to help with display of the all important tag cloud

The big thing that is needed is a component or helper module for the video module that talks to server-side FFMpeg script for thumbnailing, etc. Note that the video module supports remote file links, so it could be used as-is to host on Amazon S3...just need an easy way to upload to S3 in the first place and get the URL back.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the discussion has moved to an email thread &#8212; email me if you want in bryan at gmail dot com &#8212; will try to continue to post important reference stuff here.</p>
<p>Over on the Seattle Drupal User&#8217;s Group thread, <a href="http://bryght.com/about/the-team/boris" rel="nofollow">Boris Mann</a> of Bryght <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/node/1259#comment-3135" rel="nofollow">posted some notes</a> on activity with S3 and Drupal &#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>
There was some discussion / code going on here. There was someone hacking on S3 code, so you should talk to them.</p>
<p>I suspect we&#8217;ll see a filesystem module level S3 plugin at some point.</p>
<p>Other modules for your YouTube clone:<br />
* userreview (reviews as nodes, includes ratings) &#8212; use instead of comments to get better ratings/feedback<br />
* votingapi &#8212; needed for userreview<br />
* views / views_bookmarks: easily make a &#8220;my favourite videos&#8221; list by allowing video bookmarking; can show lists of most bookmarked videos, etc.; views can be used to build other custom page listings easily as well, including a bookmark for &#8220;flag as inappropriate&#8221;<br />
* tagadelic &#8212; to help with display of the all important tag cloud</p>
<p>The big thing that is needed is a component or helper module for the video module that talks to server-side FFMpeg script for thumbnailing, etc. Note that the video module supports remote file links, so it could be used as-is to host on Amazon S3&#8230;just need an easy way to upload to S3 in the first place and get the URL back.
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